{"id":2718,"date":"2020-05-25T08:30:00","date_gmt":"2020-05-25T07:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/?p=2718"},"modified":"2020-05-24T22:18:15","modified_gmt":"2020-05-24T21:18:15","slug":"lunivers-les-dieux-les-hommes-jean-pierre-vernant","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2020\/05\/25\/lunivers-les-dieux-les-hommes-jean-pierre-vernant\/","title":{"rendered":"L&rsquo;univers, les dieux, les hommes &#8211; Jean-Pierre Vernant"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Aujourd\u2019hui on parle mythologie avec le livre <strong>l\u2019univers, les dieux, les hommes<\/strong> de <strong>Jean-Pierre Vernant<\/strong>. Un <strong>petit livre facile \u00e0 lire<\/strong> et assez cool sur <strong>les grands mythes grecs<\/strong>, \u00e9crit par un sp\u00e9cialiste.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_82_2 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-grey ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<div class=\"ez-toc-title-container\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Table des mati\u00e8res<\/p>\n<span class=\"ez-toc-title-toggle\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"ez-toc-pull-right ez-toc-btn ez-toc-btn-xs ez-toc-btn-default ez-toc-toggle\" aria-label=\"Toggle Table of Content\"><span class=\"ez-toc-js-icon-con\"><span class=\"\"><span class=\"eztoc-hide\" style=\"display:none;\">Toggle<\/span><span class=\"ez-toc-icon-toggle-span\"><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"list-377408\" width=\"20px\" height=\"20px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M6 6H4v2h2V6zm14 0H8v2h12V6zM4 11h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2zM4 16h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" class=\"arrow-unsorted-368013\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"10px\" height=\"10px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" version=\"1.2\" baseProfile=\"tiny\"><path d=\"M18.2 9.3l-6.2-6.3-6.2 6.3c-.2.2-.3.4-.3.7s.1.5.3.7c.2.2.4.3.7.3h11c.3 0 .5-.1.7-.3.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7zM5.8 14.7l6.2 6.3 6.2-6.3c.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7c-.2-.2-.4-.3-.7-.3h-11c-.3 0-.5.1-.7.3-.2.2-.3.5-.3.7s.1.5.3.7z\"\/><\/svg><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1 ' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-1'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2020\/05\/25\/lunivers-les-dieux-les-hommes-jean-pierre-vernant\/#Raconter_et_expliquer_les_mythes\" >Raconter et expliquer les mythes<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-1'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-2\" href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2020\/05\/25\/lunivers-les-dieux-les-hommes-jean-pierre-vernant\/#Un_monde_unique_et_different\" >Un monde unique et diff\u00e9rent<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-1'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-3\" href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2020\/05\/25\/lunivers-les-dieux-les-hommes-jean-pierre-vernant\/#Des_dilemmes_moraux_a_vocation_universelle\" >Des dilemmes moraux \u00e0 vocation universelle<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Raconter_et_expliquer_les_mythes\"><\/span>Raconter et expliquer les mythes<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p>L\u2019auteur pr\u00e9sente le livre comme une volont\u00e9 de <strong>raconter simplement quelques-uns des grands mythes grecs<\/strong>. C\u2019est plut\u00f4t r\u00e9ussi. \u00c7a se lit bien et on fait le tour de pas mal de grands mythe, de la <strong>cosmogonie <\/strong>\u00e0 la <strong>guerre de Troie<\/strong>, en passant par les mythes de <strong>Prom\u00e9th\u00e9e<\/strong>, <strong>Pers\u00e9e ou \u0152dipe<\/strong> ou encore l\u2019arriv\u00e9e de <strong>Dionysos \u00e0 Th\u00e8bes<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>De ce point de vue c\u2019est \u00e0 mon avis une <strong>tr\u00e8s bonne introduction<\/strong> aux mythes grecs si on les connait peu, et sinon une <strong>redite assez agr\u00e9able<\/strong> d\u2019histoire qu\u2019on a d\u00e9j\u00e0 entendu milles fois (mais c\u2019est le propre d\u2019un mythe).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Et plus encore l\u2019auteur s\u2019attache \u00e0 tenter de <strong>nous fournir des explications sur ce que pourrait vouloir dire ces histoires<\/strong>. L\u00e0 o\u00f9 cette partie explication est vraiment r\u00e9ussi, c\u2019est qu\u2019elle est <strong>bien int\u00e9gr\u00e9e au r\u00e9cit<\/strong>, jamais trop lourde. C\u2019est vraiment fait en douceur, joli taf de vulgarisation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Un_monde_unique_et_different\"><\/span>Un monde unique et diff\u00e9rent<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p>Ce que je trouve int\u00e9ressant dans ces vieux mythes, c\u2019est que m\u00eame s\u2019ils nous sont tr\u00e8s familier, i<strong>ls nous ouvrent tout de m\u00eame une autre fa\u00e7on de voir<\/strong>, une autre perspective que la perspective dominante.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Le plus flagrant est sans doute <strong>la primaut\u00e9 des concepts d\u2019ordre et de chaos sur ceux de bien et de mal<\/strong>. Clairement les dieux grecs ne s\u2019embarrassent pas de savoir si leurs actes sont bons ou mauvais. Ils agissent simplement selon leurs int\u00e9r\u00eats et pour <strong>\u00e9tablir ou conserver un ordre.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Du coup \u00e7a simplifie aussi bien des choses, on \u00e9vite <strong>le vieux dilemme insoluble des religions monoth\u00e9istes<\/strong>\u00a0: <em>si Dieu est bon et tout puissant, pourquoi a-t-il cr\u00e9\u00e9 un tel monde de merde<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/CZuPA9fYSWA?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=fr-FR&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Le mythe de Prom\u00e9th\u00e9e montre ainsi que si les hommes doivent manger, ma\u00eetriser la technique et l\u2019agriculture, se reproduire, souffrir et mourir, c\u2019est surtout <strong>pour \u00e9tablir un ordre, une s\u00e9paration entre les dieux, les hommes et les b\u00eates<\/strong>. Il n\u2019y a pas de p\u00e9ch\u00e9 originel, <strong>c\u2019est juste comme \u00e7a et c\u2019est tout.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Apr\u00e8s \u00e7a n\u2019en fait pas pour autant un exemple absolu, clairement <strong>la place faite aux femmes<\/strong> dans les mythes est difficilement compr\u00e9hensible. Mais c\u2019est juste bon de voir une autre conception du monde,<strong> \u00e0 la fois si proche et si diff\u00e9rente<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Des_dilemmes_moraux_a_vocation_universelle\"><\/span>Des dilemmes moraux \u00e0 vocation universelle<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p>Les mythes sont aussi l\u2019occasion de plonger dans <strong>des dilemmes moraux<\/strong> qui pour le coup semblent avoir <strong>une certaine universalit\u00e9.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>La guerre contre les g\u00e9ants, montre par exemple <strong>l\u2019\u00e9mergence du chaos <\/strong>dans une soci\u00e9t\u00e9 organis\u00e9e par le biais de sa <strong>jeunesse<\/strong>. La classe d\u2019\u00e2ge des jeunes qui remets en cause l\u2019autorit\u00e9, l\u2019ordre \u00e9tabli, amenant le d\u00e9sordre dans l\u2019olympe.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>L\u2019arriv\u00e9e de Dionysos \u00e0 Th\u00e8bes parle de <strong>l\u2019accueil de l\u2019autre, de notre rapport \u00e0 la diff\u00e9rence, \u00e0 l&rsquo;\u00e9tranger et peut \u00eatre \u00e0 la folie<\/strong>. Ulysse nous parle de la <strong>m\u00e9moire <\/strong>et de ce qui nous d\u00e9finit\u00a0: <strong>revenir aux sources ou les oublier<\/strong>. Achille du choix entre <strong>une vie simple, longue et heureuse<\/strong>, ou <strong>flamboyante, inoubliable mais tr\u00e8s br\u00e8ve<\/strong>. Bref les grandes aspirations de l&rsquo;humanit\u00e9<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/Gt5-xU1-Ows?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=fr-FR&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Au final on trouve dans ces mythes <strong>une articulation <\/strong>entre ces <strong>notions qui semblent assez universelles <\/strong>et les <strong>particularit\u00e9s \u00e9tranges et sp\u00e9cifiques des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s<\/strong> dans lesquels ils ont \u00e9t\u00e9 formul\u00e9s.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Aujourd\u2019hui on parle mythologie avec le livre l\u2019univers, les dieux, les hommes de Jean-Pierre Vernant. 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