{"id":4256,"date":"2022-09-20T13:12:00","date_gmt":"2022-09-20T11:12:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/?p=4256"},"modified":"2022-09-29T13:15:39","modified_gmt":"2022-09-29T11:15:39","slug":"au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-1-3-abattre-les-mythes-sur-les-origines-des-societes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/09\/20\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-1-3-abattre-les-mythes-sur-les-origines-des-societes\/","title":{"rendered":"Au commencement \u00e9tait&#8230; \u2013 David Graeber &#038; David Wengrow &#8211; 1\/3 Abattre les mythes sur les origines des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Bon, gros morceau&nbsp;! voil\u00e0 un livre qui m\u2019aura pris plus longtemps que pr\u00e9vu \u00e0 lire. C\u2019est un<strong> ouvrage dense et sourc\u00e9<\/strong> qui aborde plein d\u2019aspects sur <strong>les origines des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s et des id\u00e9es<\/strong>. Je vais n\u00e9anmoins faire de mon mieux pour <strong>essayer de coucher par \u00e9crit ce que j\u2019en ai retenu<\/strong>. Et \u00e7a, \u00e0 mon petit niveau, c\u2019est-\u00e0-dire, sans doute sans le bagage complet de connaissance n\u00e9cessaire pour en faire une v\u00e9ritable critique coh\u00e9rente.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mais comme c\u2019\u00e9tait un gros morceau, j\u2019en ai fait 3 articles au lieu d\u2019un seul. On va feuilletonner un peu&#8230; Aujourd\u2019hui premi\u00e8re partie&nbsp;: <strong>Abattre les mythes sur les origines des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s. <\/strong><em>Les autres articles paraitront dans les semaines \u00e0 venir.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_82_2 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-grey ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<div class=\"ez-toc-title-container\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Table des mati\u00e8res<\/p>\n<span class=\"ez-toc-title-toggle\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"ez-toc-pull-right ez-toc-btn ez-toc-btn-xs ez-toc-btn-default ez-toc-toggle\" aria-label=\"Toggle Table of Content\"><span class=\"ez-toc-js-icon-con\"><span class=\"\"><span class=\"eztoc-hide\" style=\"display:none;\">Toggle<\/span><span class=\"ez-toc-icon-toggle-span\"><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"list-377408\" width=\"20px\" height=\"20px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M6 6H4v2h2V6zm14 0H8v2h12V6zM4 11h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2zM4 16h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" class=\"arrow-unsorted-368013\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"10px\" height=\"10px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" version=\"1.2\" baseProfile=\"tiny\"><path d=\"M18.2 9.3l-6.2-6.3-6.2 6.3c-.2.2-.3.4-.3.7s.1.5.3.7c.2.2.4.3.7.3h11c.3 0 .5-.1.7-.3.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7zM5.8 14.7l6.2 6.3 6.2-6.3c.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7c-.2-.2-.4-.3-.7-.3h-11c-.3 0-.5.1-.7.3-.2.2-.3.5-.3.7s.1.5.3.7z\"\/><\/svg><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1 ' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/09\/20\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-1-3-abattre-les-mythes-sur-les-origines-des-societes\/#Le_dernier_Graeber_mon_premier_Wengrow\" >Le dernier Graeber, mon premier Wengrow<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-2\" href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/09\/20\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-1-3-abattre-les-mythes-sur-les-origines-des-societes\/#Abattre_les_mythes_sur_les_origines_des_societes\" >Abattre les mythes sur les origines des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s<\/a><ul class='ez-toc-list-level-3' ><li class='ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-3\" href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/09\/20\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-1-3-abattre-les-mythes-sur-les-origines-des-societes\/#Tirs_a_balles_reelles\" >Tirs \u00e0 balles r\u00e9elles<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-4\" href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/09\/20\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-1-3-abattre-les-mythes-sur-les-origines-des-societes\/#Balek_de_lorigine_des_inegalites\" >Balek de l\u2019origine des in\u00e9galit\u00e9s<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-5\" href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/09\/20\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-1-3-abattre-les-mythes-sur-les-origines-des-societes\/#Plus_de_contre-exemple_que_dexemple\" >Plus de contre-exemple que d\u2019exemple<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-6\" href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/09\/20\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-1-3-abattre-les-mythes-sur-les-origines-des-societes\/#Invitation_a_un_battle_scientifique\" >Invitation \u00e0 un battle scientifique<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Le_dernier_Graeber_mon_premier_Wengrow\"><\/span>Le dernier Graeber, mon premier Wengrow<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Mais avant, un peu de contexte,<strong> c\u2019est quoi <a href=\"http:\/\/www.editionslesliensquiliberent.fr\/livre-Au_commencement_%C3%A9tait-672-1-1-0-1.html\">ce livre&nbsp;?<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Et bien c\u2019est le dernier livre du regrett\u00e9 <strong>David Graeber<\/strong>, dont j\u2019avais d\u00e9j\u00e0 parl\u00e9<strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/?s=graeber\">ici quelque fois.<\/a> <\/strong>L\u2019un de mes auteurs pr\u00e9f\u00e9r\u00e9s hors fiction (par son style, ses r\u00e9f\u00e9rences pop culture et son humour), et un penseur qui m\u2019a beaucoup influenc\u00e9. Ce fut aussi mon premier livre de David Wengrow, auteur que je connaissais beaucoup moins.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>J\u2019avais d\u00e9couvert David Wengrow dans <strong>une conf\u00e9rence commune<\/strong> (datant de 2015) entre lui et Graeber qui m\u2019avait passionn\u00e9, j\u2019en avais parl\u00e9 dans <a href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2016\/07\/19\/50000-ans-dhistoire\/\"><strong>cet article<\/strong><\/a> et je vous la remets ici&nbsp;:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-vimeo wp-block-embed-vimeo wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"David Graeber and David Wengrow: Palaeolithic Politics and Why It Still Matters 13 October 2015\" src=\"https:\/\/player.vimeo.com\/video\/145285143?dnt=1&amp;app_id=122963\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"autoplay; fullscreen; picture-in-picture; clipboard-write\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Certaines des id\u00e9es d\u00e9velopp\u00e9es dans cette conf\u00e9rence m\u2019avait vraiment plus. Elles ont m\u00eame inspir\u00e9 certaines des caract\u00e9ristiques du <a href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/atlas-empirique-des-terres-de-grorst\/les-republiques-de-technomagie\/la-republique-danima\/\"><strong>monde Gr\u00f6rst<\/strong><\/a> (\u00e0 minima du c\u00f4t\u00e9 des \u00ab&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/atlas-empirique-des-terres-de-grorst\/#Les_Terres_Barbares\"><strong>royaumes barbares<\/strong><\/a>&nbsp;\u00bb). Le livre d\u00e9roule et pousse plus loin<strong> certaines des pistes pos\u00e9es dans cette conf\u00e9rence<\/strong>. Et c\u2019\u00e9tait donc avec un grand int\u00e9r\u00eat que j\u2019ai plong\u00e9 dans sa lecture.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bon&#8230; comme je l\u2019ai dit plus haut, ce fut plus long que pr\u00e9vu. Pas que \u00e7a soit difficile \u00e0 lire ou ennuyeux, hein. Mais, en fait <strong>\u00e7a touche tellement de sujet<\/strong> et c\u2019est appuy\u00e9 par tellement d\u2019exemples (<em>parfois tr\u00e8s d\u00e9taill\u00e9s<\/em>) qu\u2019il ma fallut du temps pour <strong>essayer de dig\u00e9rer ce que je lisais<\/strong> (<em>et prendre les notes qui rendent possible ce genre d\u2019article<\/em>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bref, <strong>je recommande le livre<\/strong>, si vous avez du temps \u00e0 consacrer au sujet, c\u2019est passionnant.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Abattre_les_mythes_sur_les_origines_des_societes\"><\/span>Abattre les mythes sur les origines des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Un premier aspect du livre vise <strong>\u00e0 abattre les mythes existants sur les origines des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s moderne<\/strong>. En s\u2019appuyant solidement sur <strong>des exemples concrets, issus de l\u2019anthropologie et de l\u2019arch\u00e9ologie<\/strong>, le livre montre que les discours habituels sur les origines de nos soci\u00e9t\u00e9s sont des mythes. <strong>Ces mythes ne collent pas aux faits<\/strong>. Et ils ne peuvent pas \u00eatre pris au s\u00e9rieux si on souhaite r\u00e9fl\u00e9chir honn\u00eatement \u00e0 <strong>l\u2019origine de l\u2019organisation sociale qui est la n\u00f4tre, et \u00e0 comment elle pourrait ou non \u00e9voluer. &nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Tirs_a_balles_reelles\"><\/span>Tirs \u00e0 balles r\u00e9elles<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>D\u00e8s les premi\u00e8res pages, les auteurs sortent les guns et <strong>commencent \u00e0 d\u00e9zinguer tous les \u00ab\u00a0grands penseurs\u00a0\u00bb<\/strong> qui ont propos\u00e9 leurs visions de l\u2019origine des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s moderne.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"498\" height=\"264\" data-attachment-id=\"4275\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/09\/20\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-1-3-abattre-les-mythes-sur-les-origines-des-societes\/shooting\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/Shooting.gif?fit=498%2C264&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"498,264\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Shooting\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/Shooting.gif?fit=498%2C264&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/Shooting.gif?resize=498%2C264&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4275\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>Evidemment les premiers \u00e0 tomber sont <strong>Hobbes et Rousseau<\/strong>. Lutte originelle de tous contre tous (Hobbes) ou bienheureux sauvage n\u00e9gociant librement son contrat social avant d\u2019\u00eatre corrompu par la soci\u00e9t\u00e9 (Rousseau). Les deux visions ne sont bas\u00e9es sur aucun fait, ce sont juste des constructions id\u00e9ologiques.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Et elles n\u2019apportent rien puisqu\u2019elles sont <strong>toutes deux assez fatalistes<\/strong>. D\u2019un c\u00f4t\u00e9 <strong>on ne peut rien sans le l\u00e9viathan \u00e9tatique<\/strong> au risque de sombrer dans la barbarie. De l\u2019autre de toute fa\u00e7on on a \u00e9t\u00e9 corrompu et donc il n\u2019y a pas vraiment d\u2019espoir \u00e0 moins de <strong>retourner vivre tout nu et tout seul dans la for\u00eat.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mais si ces cibles faciles tombent facilement, les auteurs prennent aussi un <strong>malin plaisir \u00e0 arroser des auteurs plus r\u00e9cents<\/strong>, comme <strong>Jared Diamond, Steven Pinker ou Francis Fukuyama<\/strong>, auteurs qui ont eu de jolis succ\u00e8s de librairies sur \u00ab<em>&nbsp;les origines de l\u2019humanit\u00e9<\/em>&nbsp;\u00bb, mais sans forc\u00e9ment \u00eatre de r\u00e9els sp\u00e9cialistes de l\u2019anthropologie et encore moins de l\u2019arch\u00e9ologie.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"500\" height=\"213\" data-attachment-id=\"4277\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/09\/20\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-1-3-abattre-les-mythes-sur-les-origines-des-societes\/are-you-not-entertained-gladiator\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/Are-You-Not-Entertained-Gladiator.gif?fit=500%2C213&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"500,213\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Are-You-Not-Entertained-Gladiator\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/Are-You-Not-Entertained-Gladiator.gif?fit=500%2C213&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/Are-You-Not-Entertained-Gladiator.gif?resize=500%2C213&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4277\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>Cette entr\u00e9e en mati\u00e8re dans le livre est <strong>assez jouissive<\/strong> car on sent le malin plaisir que les auteurs ont \u00e0 taper un peu de tous les c\u00f4t\u00e9s et se placer au centre de l\u2019ar\u00e8ne en mode challenger.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Balek_de_lorigine_des_inegalites\"><\/span>Balek de l\u2019origine des in\u00e9galit\u00e9s<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Un des points que j\u2019ai trouv\u00e9 assez int\u00e9ressant aussi dans cette partie, c\u2019est la volont\u00e9 de <strong>ne pas s\u2019attarder sur une \u00ab&nbsp;origine des in\u00e9galit\u00e9s&nbsp;\u00bb<\/strong>. Car en fait les in\u00e9galit\u00e9s, bah on s\u2019en fou.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00c7a peut sembler, \u00e0 premi\u00e8re vue, <strong>\u00e9tonnant pour des penseurs affili\u00e9 (<em>au moins Graeber<\/em>) \u00e0 la gauche radicale<\/strong>. Mais les in\u00e9galit\u00e9s en elle-m\u00eame ne sont pas un probl\u00e8me. En fait, des in\u00e9galit\u00e9s il y en a toujours eu, et il y en aura sans doute toujours, et <strong>c\u2019est m\u00eame plut\u00f4t cool.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\t<div class=\"wp-block-jetpack-gif aligncenter\">\n\t\t<figure>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"wp-block-jetpack-gif-wrapper\" style=\"padding-top:100%\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<iframe src=\"https:\/\/giphy.com\/embed\/75FTGVqRGklSs2mJFG\" title=\"different\"><\/iframe>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/figure>\n\t<\/div>\n\t\n\n\n<p>Le probl\u00e8me c\u2019est que dans notre soci\u00e9t\u00e9 un <strong>type particulier d\u2019in\u00e9galit\u00e9<\/strong> (<em>les in\u00e9galit\u00e9s financi\u00e8res<\/em>) donnent <strong>un pouvoir exorbitant<\/strong> \u00e0 certains et prive les autres des ressources les plus fondamentale \u00e0 la vie humaine.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Le probl\u00e8me c\u2019est donc <strong>plus le pouvoir que les in\u00e9galit\u00e9s<\/strong>. (<em>Point de vue assez logique pour un anarchiste<\/em>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Plus_de_contre-exemple_que_dexemple\"><\/span>Plus de contre-exemple que d\u2019exemple<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Les soci\u00e9t\u00e9s de chasseurs cueilleurs vivaient en<strong> petits groupes globalement \u00e9galitaires<\/strong>. La d\u00e9mocratie directe ne peut fonctionner <strong>que dans des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s de petites tailles<\/strong>. C\u2019est <strong>l\u2019agriculture<\/strong> qui a rendu possible <strong>l\u2019accumulation de ressources<\/strong>. A partir de l\u00e0 <strong>il n\u2019\u00e9tait plus possible de vivre autrement <\/strong>que dans des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s <strong>in\u00e9galitaires<\/strong>. A partir d\u2019une certaine taille <strong>les soci\u00e9t\u00e9s deviennent naturellement hi\u00e9rarchiques<\/strong>. La <strong>r\u00e9volution n\u00e9olithiqu<\/strong>e avec l\u2019apparition de l\u2019agriculture, puis des villes a radicalement <strong>boulevers\u00e9 l\u2019organisation des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s humaines<\/strong>. La d\u00e9mocratie a \u00e9t\u00e9 <strong>invent\u00e9 par les Grecs anciens<\/strong> et s\u2019est ensuite <strong>propag\u00e9e dans le monde<\/strong>. Les soci\u00e9t\u00e9s traditionnelles ne faisaient<strong> pas \u00e9voluer leur organisation sociale <\/strong>autrement qu\u2019involontairement et \u00e0 la marge, se reposant sur des <strong>mythes fondateurs<\/strong>. La notion de progr\u00e8s, et la possibilit\u00e9 pour l\u2019homme de r\u00e9fl\u00e9chir \u00e0 son organisation sociale <strong>datent du XVIII\u00e8me si\u00e8cle<\/strong> et on la doit <strong>aux penseurs des lumi\u00e8res<\/strong>&#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Voil\u00e0 en gros le r\u00e9cit traditionnel.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"500\" height=\"246\" data-attachment-id=\"4278\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/09\/20\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-1-3-abattre-les-mythes-sur-les-origines-des-societes\/shit\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/Shit.webp?fit=500%2C246&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"500,246\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Shit\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/Shit.webp?fit=500%2C246&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/Shit.webp?resize=500%2C246&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4278\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>Et tout au long du livre, les auteurs fournissent <strong>un nombre massif de contre-exemples et de r\u00e9futations de chacun de ces points.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Des grandes villes et soci\u00e9t\u00e9s agricoles sans in\u00e9galit\u00e9s massives&nbsp;? <strong><em>check<\/em><\/strong>.<\/li><li>Des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s de chasseurs cueilleurs de tr\u00e8s grandes tailles&nbsp;? <strong><em>check<\/em><\/strong>.<\/li><li>Des in\u00e9galit\u00e9s violentes dans des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s de chasseurs cueilleurs&nbsp;? <strong><em>check<\/em><\/strong>.<\/li><li>La d\u00e9mocratie fonctionne souvent mieux avec des groupes de grande taille o\u00f9 on ne se connait pas personnellement plut\u00f4t que dans des petits groupes o\u00f9 les ranc\u0153ur s\u2019installent vite&nbsp;? <strong><em>check<\/em><\/strong>.<\/li><li>Un fonctionnement d\u00e9mocratique dans des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s de grandes tailles bien n\u2019ayant eu aucun contact avec la Gr\u00e8ce&nbsp;? <strong><em>rien ne permet vraiment de l\u2019exclure<\/em><\/strong>.<\/li><li><strong>Etc, etc, etc&#8230;<\/strong> <\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Invitation_a_un_battle_scientifique\"><\/span>Invitation \u00e0 un battle scientifique<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>En fait <strong>ce qui est assez agr\u00e9able c\u2019est que l\u2019approche suivi par Graeber et Wengrow<\/strong>. C&rsquo;est que, si elle n\u2019est certes <strong>pas d\u00e9nu\u00e9e d\u2019id\u00e9ologie<\/strong>, elle est avant tout <strong>scientifique<\/strong>. Evidemment que les auteurs ont un point de vue <strong>situ\u00e9 id\u00e9ologiquement<\/strong> (<em>qui n\u2019en a pas<\/em> <em>un<\/em>). Mais ils essaient autant que possible de <strong>s\u2019appuyer sur des sources factuelles<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\t<div class=\"wp-block-jetpack-gif aligncenter\">\n\t\t<figure>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"wp-block-jetpack-gif-wrapper\" style=\"padding-top:40%\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<iframe src=\"https:\/\/giphy.com\/embed\/z6ccg9ZZzWT2E\" title=\"science\"><\/iframe>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/figure>\n\t<\/div>\n\t\n\n\n<p>Et \u00e0 la lueur des contre-exemple fournis, force est de constater que le <strong>r\u00e9cit traditionnel <\/strong>que j\u2019ai donn\u00e9 plus haut et qu\u2019on connait tous, s\u2019est plus appuy\u00e9 sur des <em><strong>\u00ab&nbsp;ha bah c\u2019est logique \u00e7a devait \u00eatre comme \u00e7a&nbsp;t\u2019inqui\u00e8te fr\u00e8re \u00bb <\/strong><\/em>que sur des faits pour se construire.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>En \u00e7a le livre est <strong>une invitation bienvenue \u00e0 une conversation scientifique<\/strong>. Sans doute que certaines des interpr\u00e9tations de Graeber et Wengrow vont trop loin, ou sont fragiles (<em>je n&rsquo;ai pas le bagage pour tout juger<\/em>). Mais le mieux qui puisse arriver serait une r\u00e9ponse circonstanci\u00e9e et appuy\u00e9e d\u2019autant d\u2019exemples concrets et pr\u00e9cis par quelqu\u2019un tenant des th\u00e8ses oppos\u00e9es (<em>et pas juste \u00ab\u00a0bah c\u2019est des anarchistes ils sont biais\u00e9s, m\u00e9chants et ils mangent les enfants\u00a0\u00bb<\/em>). C\u2019est uniquement \u00e0 travers <strong>une vraie dialectique appuy\u00e9e par des faits concrets<\/strong> qu\u2019on pourra progresser vers une vision plus juste.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voil\u00e0 pour la premi\u00e8re partie de ce compte rendu de lecture. <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/09\/27\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-2-3-un-nouveau-cadre-pour-penser-letat\/\">La suite est ici: Un nouveau cadre pour penser l&rsquo;\u00e9tat. <\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Bon, gros morceau&nbsp;! voil\u00e0 un livre qui m\u2019aura pris plus longtemps que pr\u00e9vu \u00e0 lire. C\u2019est un ouvrage dense et sourc\u00e9 qui aborde plein d\u2019aspects sur les origines des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s et des id\u00e9es. Je vais n\u00e9anmoins faire de mon mieux pour essayer de coucher par \u00e9crit ce que j\u2019en ai retenu. Et \u00e7a, \u00e0 mon petit niveau, c\u2019est-\u00e0-dire, sans doute sans le bagage complet de connaissance n\u00e9cessaire pour en faire une v\u00e9ritable critique coh\u00e9rente. Mais comme c\u2019\u00e9tait un gros morceau,&#8230;<\/p>\n<p class=\"read-more\"><a class=\"btn btn-default\" href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/09\/20\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-1-3-abattre-les-mythes-sur-les-origines-des-societes\/\">Lire la suite<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> Lire la suite<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":4260,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[2,3],"tags":[18,23,43,10,11,25,9,5,16],"class_list":["post-4256","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-blog","category-liens","tag-anthropologie","tag-archeologie","tag-economie","tag-histoire","tag-livre","tag-philosophie","tag-politique","tag-science","tag-socio"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.5 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Au Commencement \u00c9tait - Graeber &amp; Wengrow - 1\/3 Abattre les mythes sur les origines des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"1\u00e8re partie de ma revue du livre Au commencement \u00e9tait... de David Graeber et David Wengrow. 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