{"id":4308,"date":"2022-10-03T13:12:00","date_gmt":"2022-10-03T11:12:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/?p=4308"},"modified":"2022-09-29T14:57:10","modified_gmt":"2022-09-29T12:57:10","slug":"au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/10\/03\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre\/","title":{"rendered":"Au commencement \u00e9tait&#8230; \u2013 David Graeber &#038; David Wengrow &#8211; 3\/3  Les autres propositions du livre\u00a0 \u00a0"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Le livre propose donc \u00e0 la fois <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/09\/20\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-1-3-abattre-les-mythes-sur-les-origines-des-societes\/\">la critique du r\u00e9cit traditionnel<\/a> <\/strong>sur les origines de l\u2019humanit\u00e9 et une <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/09\/27\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-2-3-un-nouveau-cadre-pour-penser-letat\/\">nouvelle d\u00e9finition de l\u2019\u00e9tat et de sa formation<\/a><\/strong>. Mais au-del\u00e0 de ces contributions essentielles, les auteurs proposent aussi <strong>d\u2019autres id\u00e9es et perspectives sur les origines de nos soci\u00e9t\u00e9s.<\/strong> Ces propositions donnent leur densit\u00e9 au livre. Elles apportent <strong>une vision plus d\u00e9taill\u00e9e<\/strong>. Mais aussi, elles permettent d\u2019approcher la question de<strong> pourquoi nos soci\u00e9t\u00e9s sont rest\u00e9es bloqu\u00e9es au stade \u00e9tatique<\/strong>. J\u2019ai essay\u00e9 de rassembler ici quelques-unes de ces propositions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_82_2 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-grey ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<div class=\"ez-toc-title-container\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Table des mati\u00e8res<\/p>\n<span class=\"ez-toc-title-toggle\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"ez-toc-pull-right ez-toc-btn ez-toc-btn-xs ez-toc-btn-default ez-toc-toggle\" aria-label=\"Toggle Table of Content\"><span class=\"ez-toc-js-icon-con\"><span class=\"\"><span class=\"eztoc-hide\" style=\"display:none;\">Toggle<\/span><span class=\"ez-toc-icon-toggle-span\"><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"list-377408\" width=\"20px\" height=\"20px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M6 6H4v2h2V6zm14 0H8v2h12V6zM4 11h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2zM4 16h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><svg style=\"fill: 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class='ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-2\" href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/10\/03\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre\/#La_schismogenese_ou_lart_de_ne_pas_faire_comme_le_voisin\" >La schismogen\u00e8se ou l\u2019art de ne pas faire comme le voisin<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-3\" href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/10\/03\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre\/#LAgriculture_en_dilettante\" >L\u2019Agriculture en dilettante<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-4\" href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/10\/03\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre\/#Saisonnalite_festival_reseau_de_longue_distance_complexifier_les_ordres_sociaux\" >Saisonnalit\u00e9, festival, r\u00e9seau de longue distance&nbsp;: complexifier les ordres sociaux<\/a><ul class='ez-toc-list-level-3' ><li class='ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-5\" href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/10\/03\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre\/#Changer_dorganisation_sociale_dans_le_temps\" >Changer d\u2019organisation sociale dans le temps<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-6\" href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/10\/03\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre\/#Echanges_a_longue_distance\" >Echanges \u00e0 longue distance<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-7\" href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/10\/03\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre\/#Des_constructions_imaginaires\" >Des constructions imaginaires<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-8\" href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/10\/03\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre\/#Trouver_les_origines_du_blocage\" >Trouver les origines du blocage&nbsp;?<\/a><ul class='ez-toc-list-level-3' ><li class='ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-9\" href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/10\/03\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre\/#La_notion_de_propriete_des_esclavagistes_violence_et_soin_au_source_du_blocage\" >La notion de propri\u00e9t\u00e9 des esclavagistes, violence et soin au source du blocage&nbsp;?<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-10\" href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/10\/03\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre\/#Lorigine_indigene_des_lumieres\" >L\u2019origine indig\u00e8ne des lumi\u00e8res<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-11\" href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/10\/03\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre\/#Conclusion\" >Conclusion<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"La_schismogenese_et_linnovation_ludique_moteurs_des_differentiations\"><\/span>La schismogen\u00e8se et l\u2019innovation ludique moteurs des diff\u00e9rentiations<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Si on a vu dans<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/09\/27\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-2-3-un-nouveau-cadre-pour-penser-letat\/\"> l\u2019article pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent<\/a><\/strong> qu\u2019il y avait plusieurs chemins possibles pour une soci\u00e9t\u00e9 vers l\u2019\u00e9tat. Il reste \u00e0 voir ce qui fait changer les soci\u00e9t\u00e9s. <strong>Comment se diff\u00e9rentient elles au cours du temps\u00a0?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"La_schismogenese_ou_lart_de_ne_pas_faire_comme_le_voisin\"><\/span>La schismogen\u00e8se ou l\u2019art de ne pas faire comme le voisin<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Un des m\u00e9canismes propos\u00e9s par les auteurs pour expliquer l\u2019apparition de soci\u00e9t\u00e9s tr\u00e8s diff\u00e9rentes parfois voisines est le processus de <strong>schismogen\u00e8se.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>En gros et de fa\u00e7on assez simple\u00a0: Un groupe va chercher \u00e0 <strong>se diff\u00e9rentier de ses voisins imm\u00e9diats<\/strong>. Et pour bien souvent il fait<strong> l\u2019exact inverse des voisins.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"400\" height=\"225\" data-attachment-id=\"4312\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/10\/03\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre\/you-go-that-way\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/you-go-that-way.gif?fit=400%2C225&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"400,225\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"you-go-that-way\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/you-go-that-way.gif?fit=400%2C225&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/you-go-that-way.gif?resize=400%2C225&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4312\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>Mettons que sur un territoire <strong>les gens vivent majoritairement de la p\u00eache, ont des esclaves et font de grandes comp\u00e9titions de banquets<\/strong> entre leurs leaders charismatiques. Et bien ceux qui vivent dans la vall\u00e9e d\u2019\u00e0 c\u00f4t\u00e9 vont s\u2019en diff\u00e9rentier. En choisissant de vivre de <strong>la cueillette de gland (alors que le poisson est tout aussi abondant). E<\/strong>n <strong>posant un interdit fort sur l\u2019esclavage<\/strong>. Et en ayant<strong> des chefs qui se distingueront par une sobri\u00e9t\u00e9 et \u00e9conomie tournant \u00e0 l\u2019avarice<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>O\u00f9 disons que dans un pays la bouffe soit un truc culturel super important avec <strong>autant de sp\u00e9cialit\u00e9s culinaires et de vari\u00e9t\u00e9s de fromages que de villages<\/strong>. Et bien, il se pourrait bien que la bouffe soit absolument <strong>d\u00e9sastreuse dans le pays qui en fut l\u2019impitoyable nemesis pendant des si\u00e8cles.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"240\" height=\"138\" data-attachment-id=\"4313\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/10\/03\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre\/english-food\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/English-food.gif?fit=240%2C138&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"240,138\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"English-food\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/English-food.gif?fit=240%2C138&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/English-food.gif?resize=240%2C138&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4313\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>Cette <strong>d\u00e9finition par l\u2019opposition<\/strong> apporte <strong>coh\u00e9sion <\/strong>au groupe social. Mais elle permet aussi l\u2019apparition d\u2019une<strong> grande vari\u00e9t\u00e9 de cultures et d\u2019organisation sociales.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"LAgriculture_en_dilettante\"><\/span>L\u2019Agriculture en dilettante<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Un autre m\u00e9canisme important est forc\u00e9ment <strong>l\u2019innovation technologique. <\/strong>Mais l\u00e0 aussi il faut sans doute revoir notre compr\u00e9hension de c<strong>e qui la motive et de comment elle apparait<\/strong>. L\u2019exemple central est ici l\u2019apparition de l\u2019agriculture et la fameuse <strong><em>\u00ab\u00a0r\u00e9volution n\u00e9olithique\u00a0\u00bb<\/em><\/strong> qui en suivit.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Les soci\u00e9t\u00e9s de chasseurs cueilleurs <strong>ne manquaient pas de nourriture<\/strong>. Et les d\u00e9buts de l\u2019agriculture furent forc\u00e9ment<strong> h\u00e9sitant et moins productif<\/strong> qu\u2019un mode de vie de chasseur cueilleurs. <strong>Alors pourquoi cultiver\u00a0?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"480\" height=\"270\" data-attachment-id=\"4314\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/10\/03\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre\/why\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/Why.gif?fit=480%2C270&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"480,270\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Why\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/Why.gif?fit=480%2C270&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/Why.gif?resize=480%2C270&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4314\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>D\u00e9j\u00e0 j\u2019ai trouv\u00e9 tr\u00e8s int\u00e9ressante la proposition que l\u2019agriculture ait pu <strong>se d\u00e9velopper au d\u00e9part pour d\u2019autres productions que de la nourriture.<\/strong> Par exemple pour produire <strong>de la paille<\/strong> pour des constructions en terre-paille ou <strong>des fibres<\/strong> pour les v\u00eatements.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Et surtout ce d\u00e9veloppement de l\u2019agriculture apparait comme ayant \u00e9t\u00e9<strong> long, lent, et progressif<\/strong>. On parle d\u2019une \u00e9volution sur plusieurs <strong>centaines voire milliers d\u2019ann\u00e9es<\/strong>. Ce n\u2019est pas du tout l\u2019image d\u2019une r\u00e9volution soudaine. Le livre \u00e9voque de fa\u00e7on assez cr\u00e9dible, le fait que <strong>l\u2019agriculture a pu se d\u00e9velopper au d\u00e9part comme exp\u00e9rimentation ludique ou pratique rituelle<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"320\" height=\"264\" data-attachment-id=\"4315\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/10\/03\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre\/image-4-10\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/image-4.png?fit=320%2C264&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"320,264\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image-4\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/image-4.png?fit=320%2C264&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/image-4.png?resize=320%2C264&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4315\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/image-4.png?w=320&amp;ssl=1 320w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/image-4.png?resize=300%2C248&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 320px) 100vw, 320px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>Si les chasseurs cueilleurs <strong>mangeaient \u00e0 leur faim et avait un max de temps libre<\/strong>. C\u2019est assez probable qu\u2019il ait pu juste <strong>exp\u00e9rimenter pour s\u2019amuser<\/strong>. Avant de progressivement adopter certaines cultures pour des raisons rituelles (<em>donner de la bi\u00e8re aux dieux et aux mort<\/em>). Pratiques qui passent <strong>peu \u00e0 peu dans l\u2019usage commun.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Je trouve cette <strong>explication ludique de l\u2019innovation tr\u00e8s convaincante<\/strong>. La plupart (voir la totalit\u00e9) des innovateurs techniques que je connais (<em>et j\u2019en ai crois\u00e9 quelques un<\/em>) le font essentiellement <strong>parce que \u00e7a les amuse<\/strong>. Ils racontent (et se racontent) parfois qu\u2019<strong>ils le font parce que c\u2019est utile<\/strong>. Mais en r\u00e9alit\u00e9 c\u2019est surtout <strong>des nerd qui s\u2019amusent<\/strong>. <em>Personne ne voudra jamais de ton id\u00e9e de frigo connect\u00e9 bob, on le sait tous. Et toi aussi, avoue que tu aimes juste t\u2019amuser avec des protocoles d\u2019\u00e9changes de donn\u00e9es.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"220\" height=\"116\" data-attachment-id=\"4316\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/10\/03\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre\/nerd\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/nerd.gif?fit=220%2C116&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"220,116\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"nerd\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/nerd.gif?fit=220%2C116&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/nerd.gif?resize=220%2C116&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4316\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Saisonnalite_festival_reseau_de_longue_distance_complexifier_les_ordres_sociaux\"><\/span>Saisonnalit\u00e9, festival, r\u00e9seau de longue distance&nbsp;: complexifier les ordres sociaux<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Une autre grande id\u00e9e int\u00e9ressante d\u00e9velopp\u00e9e dans le livre est celle de <strong>la complexit\u00e9 des organisations sociales dans les soci\u00e9t\u00e9s traditionnelles. <\/strong>On est loin de la vision de petites tribus isol\u00e9es et ignorantes des diff\u00e9rentes possibilit\u00e9s d\u2019organisation sociales. Le livre montre que <strong>les organisations des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s traditionnelles pouvaient \u00e9voluer dans le temps et se d\u00e9ployer dans l\u2019espace.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Changer_dorganisation_sociale_dans_le_temps\"><\/span>Changer d\u2019organisation sociale dans le temps<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>C\u2019est un des aspects qui avait \u00e9t\u00e9 \u00e9voqu\u00e9 dans <strong>la conf\u00e9rence ou j\u2019avais d\u00e9couvert le bin\u00f4me Graeber \u2013 Wengrow<\/strong>.\u00a0Et imm\u00e9diatement \u00e7a m\u2019avait frapp\u00e9 comme \u00e9tant un point absolument <strong>fascinant<\/strong>. On a plusieurs exemples dans l\u2019anthropologie de soci\u00e9t\u00e9s qui adoptait<strong> des modes d\u2019organisation diff\u00e9rents selon les saisons.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-vimeo wp-block-embed-vimeo wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"David Graeber and David Wengrow: Palaeolithic Politics and Why It Still Matters 13 October 2015\" src=\"https:\/\/player.vimeo.com\/video\/145285143?dnt=1&amp;app_id=122963\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"autoplay; fullscreen; picture-in-picture; clipboard-write\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s pouvaient vivre <strong>pendant certaines saisons en petit groupes dispers\u00e9s.<\/strong> Et \u00e0 l\u2019inverse <strong>se regrouper en grand groupes \/ pseudo-villes <\/strong>sur d&rsquo;autres saisons<strong>.<\/strong> Et selon les cas, on pouvait observer des rapports diff\u00e9rents \u00e0 la hi\u00e9rarchie et au pouvoir. Les petits groupes peuvent \u00eatre \u00e9galitaire ou contraire sous la coupe d\u2019un chef de famille tyrannique. Et de la m\u00eame fa\u00e7on les grand rassemblement peuvent \u00eatre \u00e9galitaire ou au contraire tr\u00e8s hi\u00e9rarchis\u00e9s.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"480\" height=\"270\" data-attachment-id=\"4317\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/10\/03\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre\/disperse\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/disperse.gif?fit=480%2C270&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"480,270\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"disperse\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/disperse.gif?fit=480%2C270&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/disperse.gif?resize=480%2C270&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4317\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>De nombreuses soci\u00e9t\u00e9s semble ainsi avoir eu cette capacit\u00e9 \u00e0 <strong>passer de fa\u00e7on fluide d\u2019une organisation sociale \u00e0 une autre, au fil des saisons. <\/strong>C\u2019est un ph\u00e9nom\u00e8ne qu\u2019on connait un peu par le ph\u00e9nom\u00e8ne des \u00ab\u00a0<em>carnavals\u00a0<\/em>\u00bb avec leur logique <strong>d\u2019inversion sociale <\/strong>(roi de carnaval, masques, changement des r\u00f4les&#8230;). Mais il faut ici l\u2019imaginer \u00e0 une tout autre \u00e9chelle.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Echanges_a_longue_distance\"><\/span>Echanges \u00e0 longue distance<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Une autre fa\u00e7on de complexifier la perspective sur les ordres sociaux et de voir qu\u2019ils peuvent<strong> se d\u00e9ployer \u00e0 distance.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>L\u00e0 aussi l\u2019anthropologie donne des exemples de soci\u00e9t\u00e9s ayant cr\u00e9er des <strong>r\u00e9seaux de liens \u00e0 grande distance<\/strong> (\u00ab\u00a0division tot\u00e9mique en moiti\u00e9\u00a0\u00bb des aborig\u00e8nes d\u2019Australie, clans am\u00e9rindiens). L\u2019arch\u00e9ologie apporte aussi des indices permettant de supporter cette th\u00e8se (unit\u00e9 culturelle observ\u00e9e \u00e0 grande distance dans les productions mat\u00e9rielles).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Des_constructions_imaginaires\"><\/span>Des constructions imaginaires<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Ces perspectives diff\u00e9rentes sur la complexit\u00e9 des organisations sociale oblige \u00e0 <strong>repenser l\u2019\u00e9volution traditionnelle (clan > chefferies > royaume > \u00e9tat) <\/strong>dont la simplicit\u00e9 apparait compl\u00e9tement ridicule et absolument pas \u00e0 m\u00eame de d\u00e9crire la complexit\u00e9 du r\u00e9el.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"498\" height=\"252\" data-attachment-id=\"4318\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/10\/03\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre\/in-your-head\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/in-your-head.gif?fit=498%2C252&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"498,252\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"in-your-head\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/in-your-head.gif?fit=498%2C252&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/in-your-head.gif?resize=498%2C252&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4318\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>R\u00e9ciproquement, elles permettent de <strong>mettre en question nos propres organisation sociales<\/strong>. Les cit\u00e9s et \u00e9tats qui nous semble r\u00e9el ne sont en fait que des <strong>constructions imaginaires.<\/strong> Elles ne changent <strong>pas fondamentalement le nombre d\u2019individus avec lesquels ont interagit.<\/strong> Et elles n\u2019existent que tant que collectivement on y croit (ce qui fait un bel echo \u00e0 l\u2019un des slogan de David Graeber\u00a0: <em>\u00ab\u00a0vivre comme si nous \u00e9tions d\u00e9j\u00e0 libre\u00a0\u00bb<\/em>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Trouver_les_origines_du_blocage\"><\/span>Trouver les origines du blocage&nbsp;?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"La_notion_de_propriete_des_esclavagistes_violence_et_soin_au_source_du_blocage\"><\/span>La notion de propri\u00e9t\u00e9 des esclavagistes, violence et soin au source du blocage&nbsp;?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Reste \u00e0 <strong>comprendre pourquoi nos soci\u00e9t\u00e9s sont rest\u00e9s bloqu\u00e9es <\/strong>sur un mod\u00e8le \u00e9tatique concentrant les <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/09\/27\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-2-3-un-nouveau-cadre-pour-penser-letat\/\">trois formes de domination<\/a><\/strong> (souverainet\u00e9, bureaucratie, comp\u00e9tition politique).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>J\u2019ai trouv\u00e9 que le livre ne r\u00e9pondait <strong>pas forc\u00e9ment compl\u00e9tement \u00e0 cette question complexe<\/strong>. Mais il donne des pistes int\u00e9ressantes. L\u2019une d\u2019elle est \u00e0 li\u00e9 \u00e0<strong> la notion de propri\u00e9t\u00e9<\/strong> telle qu\u2019on la con\u00e7oit dans les soci\u00e9t\u00e9s modernes et qui tirerai son origine de la relation de maitre \u00e0 esclave.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"480\" height=\"362\" data-attachment-id=\"4319\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/10\/03\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre\/my-property\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/my-property.gif?fit=480%2C362&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"480,362\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"my-property\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/my-property.gif?fit=480%2C362&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/my-property.gif?resize=480%2C362&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4319\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>La propri\u00e9t\u00e9 classique (du droit romain) est un <strong>imperium<\/strong>, le maitre <strong>fait ce qu\u2019il veut de ses possessions<\/strong>, sans obligation d\u2019en prendre soin. R\u00e9ciproquement, <strong>l\u2019esclave est dans une relation de soin pour son maitre<\/strong> sans aucun pouvoir. Cette relation,<strong> amalgame de violence et de soin<\/strong>, a \u00e9t\u00e9 inscrite dans la famille patriarcale (le pater familias poss\u00e9dant sa famille et ses biens). Et elle aurait ensuite \u00e9t\u00e9 transf\u00e9r\u00e9 au corps social dans son entier. <strong>Le monarque est le p\u00e8re qui dispose de ses sujets.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/DelhLppPSxY?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=fr-FR&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Je ne sais pas si \u00e7a explique tout. Mais je trouve<strong> int\u00e9ressant de questionner certains de ces h\u00e9ritages autour de la notion de propri\u00e9t\u00e9<\/strong> (<em>les impacts environnementaux de la notion de propri\u00e9t\u00e9 comme imperium absolu sont assez \u00e9vidents<\/em>). Comme le livre le note, on h\u00e9rite <strong>beaucoup de choses assez fondamentales de soci\u00e9t\u00e9s<\/strong> (gr\u00e9coromaines, jud\u00e9o-chr\u00e9tiennes) qui avaient des valeurs <strong>pas forc\u00e9ment align\u00e9es avec celles qui sont les n\u00f4tres aujourd\u2019hui.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Lorigine_indigene_des_lumieres\"><\/span>L\u2019origine indig\u00e8ne des lumi\u00e8res<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Et d\u2019ailleurs, si on cherche l\u2019origine de nos valeurs modernes. Peut \u00eatre faut il aussi <strong>repenser ce qu\u2019ont \u00e9t\u00e9 les \u00ab\u00a0lumi\u00e8res\u00a0\u00bb.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Pour les auteurs, l\u2019origine de ce qu\u2019on consid\u00e8re aujourd\u2019hui comme le courant philosophique des lumi\u00e8res est \u00e0 chercher <strong>avant tout outre-Atlantique<\/strong>. Ce sont les<strong> soci\u00e9t\u00e9s am\u00e9rindiennes<\/strong> qui nous ont transmis beaucoup lors de la confrontation qui a men\u00e9 \u00e0 leur quasi an\u00e9antissement.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"259\" height=\"194\" data-attachment-id=\"4320\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/lignesdorages.com\/index.php\/2022\/10\/03\/au-commencement-etait-david-graeber-david-wengrow-3-3-les-autres-propositions-du-livre\/smallpow\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/smallpow.jpg?fit=259%2C194&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"259,194\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"smallpow\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/smallpow.jpg?fit=259%2C194&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lignesdorages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/smallpow.jpg?resize=259%2C194&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4320\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>Et je dois dire que leur <strong>pr\u00e9sentation de cette th\u00e8se est assez convaincante<\/strong>. A tout le moins je pense qu\u2019il faut consid\u00e9rer que sans la rencontre avec <strong>\u00ab\u00a0le nouveau monde\u00a0\u00bb<\/strong> aucun des philosophes n\u2019aurait pu produire ces fameuses \u00ab\u00a0lumi\u00e8res\u00a0\u00bb. Elles se sont faites sans doute en partie en effet <strong>en piquant des id\u00e9es, ou en inspiration, r\u00e9action et quelquefois opposition.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Conclusion\"><\/span>Conclusion<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Bref, encore une fois c&rsquo;est <strong>un livre dense et je ne suis pas sur d&rsquo;en avoir fait le tour<\/strong>. J&rsquo;esp\u00e8re que certaines de ces pistes seront pouss\u00e9es plus loin. Elles ouvrent des perspectives int\u00e9ressantes sur le pass\u00e9. Mais aussi <strong>d\u00e9verrouilleront peut \u00eatre certains blocage sur l&rsquo;absence d&rsquo;alternative pour le pr\u00e9sent et le futur. <\/strong> <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Le livre propose donc \u00e0 la fois la critique du r\u00e9cit traditionnel sur les origines de l\u2019humanit\u00e9 et une nouvelle d\u00e9finition de l\u2019\u00e9tat et de sa formation. Mais au-del\u00e0 de ces contributions essentielles, les auteurs proposent aussi d\u2019autres id\u00e9es et perspectives sur les origines de nos soci\u00e9t\u00e9s. Ces propositions donnent leur densit\u00e9 au livre. Elles apportent une vision plus d\u00e9taill\u00e9e. Mais aussi, elles permettent d\u2019approcher la question de pourquoi nos soci\u00e9t\u00e9s sont rest\u00e9es bloqu\u00e9es au stade \u00e9tatique. 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